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Microsoft did it. Windows as a service. Great.

@wowaname I knew about it even before I post here so It doesn't count :P

@r00tobo in that case, poettering did it. an init with networking.

@r00tobo How long until users are unable to log into their computers?

@fatboy @r00tobo It is not their computers. They have a license to use them, but they don't own them.
It's all there in the EULA of the PSU, CPU, mother, ram... :blobwoah:

@Chuculate @r00tobo Haha. Good point. You are the host for the OS

@fatboy they won't be able to login until they pay. and also you don't own the os you just have the permission to use it

@fatboy @r00tobo

I know there have been looking at this for a while, including recently , have they now implemented a time frame for switching to DaaS for Windows? and how are they proposing the transition for domestic users? cuz I think even the most sheeple of users would react badly.

@jason @fatboy here we go KDE Plasma + Arch Linux = heaven. as for your post. hmmm I knew that one day Microsoft will just switch everything as a service

@r00tobo @fatboy

I think that its a given Microsoft will move to a DaaS and appear to have wanted to for some time, looking at recent articles they are calling it 'Microsoft Managed Desktop'

I suspect it may end up being something akin to WindowsS mode devices + Microsoft account. possibly with the first year or two included with the device - although that will hurt the gaming and anti-malware industries.

@jason @fatboy they already have introduced Windows S 10 it's the beginning of the transition

@r00tobo @jason This Windows as a Service is truly worrying. They can't even manage to make an OS, how are they going to manage a billion devices?!
I truly hope Linux takes off. I would love to see the Linux market share at 10℅


The biggest issue with the coverage of Linux based OS's is this myth that Linux has not "made it"

I have seen multiple "year of linux desktop" and "why the Linux desktop failed" articles that seem to miss a really fundamental point.

Other than for a handfull of niche online retailers you cannot purchase a Laptop or PC with a pre installed Linux operating system by just visiting a shop. Yet inspite of this there is a reported 3% ish (and growing) uptake.

This is not failure.

Add to this that MS is still moving against the ability for people to install alternative OSs (now with proposed DaaS) even though Microsoft ♥ Linux

Linux arrived ("made it") a quite a while ago, the threat is now that corporation entities like MS and Google are buying into the Linux foundation and as a consequence have the ability to shape its future direction


@jason @fatboy sadly jason, that's true. but I've watched a video for Linus talking a bout why Linux didn't success on the desktop he had a valid point actually.

@jason @fatboy @r00tobo
last time I went to walmart of 3-4 computers that it was selling, 2 of them were linux-based, and they were the cheapest ones.

@jeffcliff @jason @fatboy at least it will be compatible with other distros right? as a h/w


ChromeOS is not a Linux Distro, it is a linux based OS however

It is only "Linuxy" in that it uses a custom/locked down Linux kernel much like like Android does.

Up until very recently there has not had any form of official compatibility with Linux applications, if you wanted to install a Linux you had to obtain specific distros and jump through hoops to install them, just like windows machines (more difficult to install in many cases due to harware driver issues eh touchpads).

Even now that there is some compatbility it is done via an optimised debian stretch virtual machine on top ChromeOS and is not native compatibility, additionally only very few Chromebooks currently have this compatbility at first switch on.

Chromebooks are by thieir nature more like Thin Client Devices than they are laptops, they have a very limited range of hardware compatbility - try using an optical drive with one or obaining a driver for a replacement/additional wireless device.

TL:DR ChromeOS and Linux Distros are like filter coffee machines and kettles, while they can both make coffee the chances of getting a decent cuppa tea from the coffee machine is near Zero as its designed to be a coffeemachine and nothing more.

@r00tobo @fatboy

@jason @r00tobo @fatboy I would quibble about the definition of 'distro' here, but that's mere semantics. It's very much like android, and in fact includes an android stack/ability to load non-google apks in principle (making it application-level compatible with the largest linux distro in the world, android, as well as what are probably the 3rd/4th/etc largest, the biggest android forks). If compatibility with other linux distros is the way of measuring whether or not it's a distro...

@jason @r00tobo @fatboy ...but they are certainly locked down in ways that are more like microsoft/apple than, say, debian or something.


@fatboy @r00tobo

A linux distribution consists of a collection of soltware and a compiler to build software for that distribution

The distributed software collection will usually consist of the kernel, a tool chain, the source of the kernel and a package management system (but not always a package manager)

Any OS that only has part of this or does not distribute its components but uses a linux based kernel is a Linux Based operating system or a device embedded operating system.

As both ChromeOS and android are linux based OS, although the debian virtual machine that runs on top of chromeos may be a linux distro

@r00tobo @fatboy
and it's important to note *pay with a payment system that microsoft uses*. Which means 50%+ of the world is cut out immediately.