This is what users do when you create an intuitive UI.

@voodoologic I would call that a bad UI, not really intuitive one.
It's not intuitive when it leads the user to do the wrong thing.

@Lapineige @voodoologic It's a bit like if "intuition" was actually "a priori knowledge" 😱

@Lapineige Le fait de trouver une interface intuitive ou non c'est relatif à la connaissance à priori de l'utilisateur de cet objet ou d'objets similaires ^^

L'usage des objets courants (et la construction d'un modèle mental pour leur utilisation) c'est quelque chose d'acquis

@kuro je voulais dire que son exemple me semble mauvais, car l'interface n'est pas bonne, vu qu'elle conduit à faire une erreur.

@Lapineige @kuro
Oui mais chaque interface conduira des utilisateurs à faire des erreurs en fonction de ses expériences passées.

D'où l'importance des notices/tutos.

@punky @Lapineige @kuro Je serai tentée de dire qu'une interface VRAIMENT intuitve serait une interface sans contrainte, qui laisse les utilisateurs s'en servir comme ils le veulent (soit globalement l'exacte opposé de tout ce qui est conceptualisé par les UI intuitives ces dernières années).

@punky Non mais celle présentée au dessus est plus un exemple de mauvaise interface qu'autre chose, et pas intuitive.

@punky @Lapineige C'est exactement sur ça que je voulais en venir, une interface pas bonne ça veut juste rien dire (pas bonne par rapport à quoi, à qui, d'après quels tests utilisateurs/cibles) ^^

@kuro @Lapineige
Surtout une interface intuitive.
Deux personnes différentes n'auront pas forcément la même intuition en fonction de leur vécu.

Un exemple tout simple, c'est la fusion des boutons play et pause sur les lecteurs vidéos. Ça te semble intuitif et correct, notamment via les symboles, mais si tu remontes le temps pour montrer ça à un ingénieur des années 70-80, il va te répondre que c'est pas intuitif parce qu'un même bouton a deux rôles opposés.

Une interface "intuitive" n'est qu'une interface dont le fonctionnement répond à des codes connus. Elle le sera pour une personne A, mais pas forcément pour une personne B.

@Lapineige @voodoologic « Intuitive UI » have ni sense. The user will always do the wrong thing, execpted if they take the time to learn how to use it…

@Lapineige I'd like to think it's bad specs. If they were using the "correct" cup size, there would be no issue. :blobcat:

@voodoologic thank you, this is everything about design I rant about

- the customer
- what sales tells the customer
- when you later get their support ticket: :blobthinkingglare:

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@voodoologic Honestly it'd be even more intuitive if the cups available were taller or the space between the lever and the platform the cup was sitting on was shorter, so that by simply having the cup there, the lever is pressed and water is dispensed.

As for the whole drinking from a cup situation, well... there's something slightly more intuitive in that case, it's known as a sippy cup :p

@voodoologic its like 2am and im losing my shit over this gif seriously lmfao

@voodoologic intuitive interfaces are "interfaces I have worked with before".

Real innovation & change demands discomfort and relearning. ::shrug::

@voodoologic @kelbot that video reminds me of this #Norwegian comedy sketch from #ØysteinOgJeg, broadcast by the #NRK in 2001:
It shows how the first user might've reacted to a #book ;)
Don't worry, it has English subtitles. ;)

@voodoologic what I love about this is: it doesn't show people being dumb, it shows people being smart! They're adapting to their environment, sharing knowledge, and helping each other

as a designer of technology it might make us mad to see people using our thing "wrong", but we should remember that once it's out in the world, it belongs to them, not to us, and they may find things to do with it we never imagined.

@nindokag that's well put. I think i've watched it hundreds of times by now.

@nindokag @voodoologic This is probably the best argument against intellectual property I've ever heard. Thank you.

@nindokag @voodoologic Some certain benevolent maintainer for life should read this and live it more.

@nindokag @voodoologic I think it mostly demonstrates that designers are often bad at designing affordances

@voodoologic When you try to make tech schmuck-proof, a bigger schmuck comes along.

... and that's why you stick some instructions there and sketches. No one will read them, of course, but you just covered your ass against lawsuits and complaints. "It's your own fault, now!", you see... "Didn't you read the instructions?" 🤷‍♂️
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"Millennials try to use old phone in Russian army"

@voodoologic "No program is foolproof because fools are so ingenious!"

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