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So, #Linux Fediverse!

Flatpak? Snaps?

Which one deserves space in my limited brain?

Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE neither, use tarballs that adhere to the FHS. Then it's super easy to use fpm to create standard distro packages from.
Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE that is, create tarballs that you can just unpack them into /usr inside the package.
Wack Playstation Sup! 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏 @HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz

@kurisu That's only realistic for trivial apps with no "interesting" dependencies.

I'm considering this for #Mailpile, which is well outside the complexity that a binary tarball can handle.

Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE what do you mean be interesting dependencies?
Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE just looks like a python app to me, what's special?
Wack Playstation Sup! 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏 @HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz

@kurisu Dependencies on compiled Python libraries. And Tor. And GnuPG, ideally a specific version so I don't have to worry about the shifting API.

Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE wow, thats a heavy set of dependencies. Static compilation with musl should fix the python libraries, but hard-depending on tor and gnupg seems like more of an architectural problem and probably layering violation.
Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE developers should be creating quality packages which integrate with the rest of the system, instead of boxing themselves away and including a second copy of everything, I think.

If you've made your application so difficult to package that it'll never be included in distro repositories because it has unmanageable dependencies, that's *your* problem, and flatpak and snaps are just ways that developers push that problem on users.
Wack Playstation Sup! 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏 @HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz

@kurisu Hi, I asked for opinions, but now you're just lecturing.

Thanks for your input, please stop now.

Steph @kurisu@iscute.moe
@HerraBRE my bad for lecturing.

I hope you see that users really do dislike appimage, flatpak and snaps though. Dismissing users expressing their opinion as just being smug is unhelpful imo.
Wack Playstation Sup! 🙊 🇮🇸 🍏 @HerraBRE@mastodon.xyz

@kurisu Yes, I see that opinionated people who don't know what I'm dealing with or what I've already considered, are still quite eager to preach and tell me my question is wrong.

I hear that people don't like it, but honestly, every tech has haters. Saying you dislike something has almost zero signal, it's just noise.

Tell me WHY, and I'll listen. If you just tell me something sucks, I probably won't.

Drew DeVault @sir@cmpwn.com

@HerraBRE @kurisu here's why: both take all of the worst parts and none of the best parts of static linking, all of the worst parts and none of the best parts of package repositories, and combine that with empty promises of security and a ticking timebomb of actual security problems

ŧฬэє @twee

@sir @HerraBRE @kurisu my other big problem is my distro already has a great package manager. If I can't get packages from my package manager, I can either build from source (and I think possibly the people who will most care about your product will be capable of this), or use the AUR. It's easy, simple, and efficient. Flatpak et al. Require something like a 200mb download, along with the software. It's massive. It's bloated. It doesn't fit with my philosophy.

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