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I am in general very pro code-of-conduct. Still, this call to build something better has interesting thoughts in it shiromarieke.github.io/coc.htm
But I'm not sure what something better would be yet, so ATM I think having a CoC is best

As a note, my main hesitancy to post about anything considering on *iterating on* a code of conduct type design can be a dogwhistle for "CoCs are bad let's get rid of them"

I think CoCs have been a useful development. I do wonder if we can improve the design. I just don't know what that may be.

@cwebber I agree. I think that, similarly to how widespread use and discussion of FL/OSS licenses made coders consider the legal and social dimensions of code re/use, CoCs may also help force techies to consider their personal actions and inactions WRT inclusiveness. That is, at minimum if someone has a CoC, you know they at least thought about it, once. That's more than some ever did! :)

@cathal @cwebber I also agree.

I think comparing with licenses is a good approach.

Incidentally, I remember a time not too long ago when many developers were angry and annoyed about having to choose or respect licenses at all... which led things like the WTFPL.

I am not convinced this time has passed... ๐Ÿ˜‰

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WTFPL

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@HerraBRE @cathal @cwebber don't licenses and CoCs have somewhat orthogonal purposes?

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@meff @cathal @cwebber Yes, they absolutely do.

But both also strive to define aspects of the community around a project, and both can be quite divisive because people have Opinions(tm), and both licenses and CoCs benefit from consideration and gradual improvements.

So there are many meta-things in common.