please let's put that cursed thing where it belongs

in the trash

@lumi meh all my friends are on discord, little chance i could convince them to switch off of it, so i'll keep using it for the time being

@pyromage i understand ♥

at least we're not arguing about where it belongs

@lumi cant til I find a reasonable alternative honestly

@pry for most of its functionality: look at xmpp

for the rest: soon™

@pry tbh i think the biggest thing is where people are

discord would not be valuable without its users

it wouldnt have gotten so big without their pretty religious hype squad

their strength is being able to use your friends against you, and more than anything else, that's the reason i hate it so much

@pry @lumi aye, unfortunately it's the same problem that facebook has, everyone uses it because everyone else uses it

@yisraeldov @pry I prefer xmpp but sure it is an alternative

neither seem satisfactory for the average user though...

@Akio @yisraeldov @pry telnet with end-to-end encryption

so ssh is best chat protocol

@Akio @pry @lumi Does xmpp keep a history of the chat ? I don't remember that it did group chat well either, or provided good encryption.

@yisraeldov @Akio @pry it can keep history on the server side but i have that module disable as i don't like the concept and want to stay away from it

it does have good e2e encryption via OMEMO

@lumi @Akio @pry Ok, well the history is an important feature for keeping everyone up-to-date when you are working with a team, so people can see what they missed when they are offline, I think this is one of the reasons that irc falls short.

@yisraeldov @Akio @pry yeah, my opinion on it is mixed

bounded chat history is probably a good compromise

@lumi the problem is we need some good, open source and decentralized alternative for it, cause these don't really exist

@selfisekai @lumi IRC! Discord is the latest IRC knock off they all come and go, but IRC has been around since the dawn of time (1989) and it's not going anywhere

@selfisekai @lumi
hardest thing in irc imo is images since dcc isn't viable anymore
most everything else can be done through extensions

@ocean @selfisekai @lumi IRC isn't a discord replacement until it integrates voice as a first class citizen alongside text chat.

That's coming from a big IRC fan.

@kline @selfisekai @lumi Ehhh IRC isn't a discord replacement because discord came about 20 years after IRC did

IRC is good because it doesn't try to do everything
it does it's one thing and it does it well, very unix-y

@ocean @selfisekai @lumi yeah, it's ace, but because of those choices it will never beat discord.

@kline @selfisekai @lumi Until about 10 years from now when Discord is dead and some other chatting service is the new popular one and the cycle repeats it's self all over again

@ocean @selfisekai @lumi sure, but it'll probably have a much more integrated experience than IRC, still.

Whatever the pros and cons for relatively technical users, the discord audience don't care.

They want integrated voice, chat, and fun social spaces with minimal cost, financial and effort. IRC will never be that, and that's why discord has absolutely smashed IRC/Jabber and TeamSpeak/Vent/Mumble use in gaming.

@ocean @lumi by a good alternative I meant really good. look at the discord, with avatars, emojis (including custom guild-specific and even animated for paid users), playing statuses, images, videos, rich embeds, easy http/websockets api for bot developers, one account for everything, chat history, voice chats...
I could say many more advantages for user. Matrix is much better for it, but still lacks some more features, fully functional clients and servers.

@ocean @selfisekai @lumi IRC and Discord are very different. Discord is an app, IRC is a protocol.
I wouldn't be surprised if Discord used IRC (twitch uses IRC after all)

I agree IRC is a very good thing, now we just need a Discord-like app that's as good but like GNU (using IRC or XMPP for text, and other stuff for voice and all)

Until then I'll keep using Discord :bun:

@ocean @selfisekai @lumi (so basically pidgin with modern looks and less options)

@cesese @ocean @selfisekai yeah i understand x3

you're forgiven for using discord because you also use xmpp and i can snuggle you there :blobcatsnuggle:

@lumi yeah lol i will do that when there will be a better alternative

@Ste1lar is a worthy alternative. It can become better with your help

@baschdel i couldn't possibly fit all of it so i settled on just discord

there are a couple huge privacy invaders missing there, like apple for example

@lumi Yeah, like what the heck was wrong with IRC? It's not good enough for yer vidja game xbox xtravaganzas?

I hate when Foss projects use tools like discord, slack, or jira.

@lumi all my friends are on discord so i use it to communicate w them :0

@sadcatstarry a lot of mine are, too, but i choose not to use it because it's terrible and it scares me

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