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Mr. Jeff Cliff, BSc(CompSci) @jeffcliff

@pzmyers @bgcarlisle The alternative is escalation of violence and ignorance.

@jeffcliff @bgcarlisle No. The alternative to debate is smarter engagement with the audience you want to address.

@jeffcliff @bgcarlisle Anyone. Debate is an ineffective way to reach anyone.

@pzmyers @bgcarlisle and yet it does reach people. The 1860 Oxford evolution debate reached Hitchens, for example. We'd all be poorer had not it been effective with him.

@jeffcliff @bgcarlisle The Huxley/Wilberforce debate has been so thoroughly mythologized that citing it as a significant influence 150 years later to justify debate is really stretching it.

@bgcarlisle @jeffcliff Hitchens did not "see" or even read a transcript of the debate -- it doesn't exist. He was reading 3rd hand stories about the debate.

@a_breakin_glass @bgcarlisle @pzmyers Beware of using the baculum to decide between claims - who wields the baculum is not a favourable heuristic to truth-seeking youtube.com/watch?v=DeOkjDEgWy

@jeffcliff @a_breakin_glass @bgcarlisle Irrelevant, and doesn't make any sense. The alternative isn't threatening people, nor is it flashing a baculum at them (which has a whole different meaning to a biologist).