@cesese is tox an alternative? last i checked you couldn't use it over multiple devices, which is a big limitation compared to most chat programs these days
@00dani I have no idea
@shpuld uhh they provide what you ask (group chat, group calls, "polished interface" (looks more like skype but eh why not), all in one package)
@shpuld "recommending software based on screenshots and feature listings without actually using it extensively first isn't too helpful"
Sorry if i sounded like I *recommended* them, I was just using them as examples
Saying there is no FLOSS alternative to discord is a lie, even if the alternatives aren't perfect
I was also kinda saying that because I had a lot of conversations about there not being alternatives, and people wanting to code an alternative. I think it'd be better to contribute to already-existing projects than make new ones from scratch.
@cesese I think the reason people say there's no alternative to discord is because there's no other popular platform, alternatives are sadly only as good as their are people using them, as great as they are otherwise
@immychan no, I know people whose excuse for staying on discord is they can't find a floss alternative
@immychan when we switched from skype to discord, we didn't wait for people to be on discord
@polychrome @cesese That's true, but equally the 'Discord Experience' to me just means a junk web app with a not very good UI, despite the features it does have, the program I can think of that comes closest to that criteria would probably be Telegram, it has all of those features except for channel groups
The upside of it being a web program is that you don't have to use the native client, can avoid some of their snooping by using the browser.
Anyway this puts a goal post for the floss alternative. Telegram does a good show by demonstrating Qt can do all of this nicely.
And that's true, using the browser exclusively to access Discord might be something I look into
And I agree Telegram is kind of the gold standard for a chatting client, as well as the various XMPP clients
@cesese Really? But there are so many :/, generally people I know are Discord apologists, it's not a good service but people will try to justify it to themselves anyway, I know a smaller number of people, myself included, who would gladly ditch Discord but have a lot of friends who use it exclusively
@cesese they arent discord alternative
Skype at most lol
@Miaourt that's the same, people went to discord because skype was bad
@cesese yeah, and because mumble and teamspeak "where too complicated and costly to host"
Low latency speaking rooms is what leds discord's growth at first imho, before it becoming the new irc
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