https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=782&v=WZ3pbxp3QKU
@dolus why would you even post that kind of garbage
@dolus I had to stop listening when he implied that videogames are all communist and that communism flourished at the time of the big red scares
> videogames are all communist
I don't think he actually said that. What he said was that marxists have been trying to influence our culture through literature, TV and, more recently, vidya. That's not to say ALL games are 'somehow' marxist, but there is an obvious uptik in games that push social marxism.
@dolus that sounds pretty farfetched still but i guess there's always a place where someone's political opinion leaks over the piece of art/media/whatever too
@dolus "in the past 30-40 years" makes scifi sound much older than it is as a genre.
And, I dunno. I'd suspect that if you want cool, alien (both alien alien and the other alien) civilizations to exist, making one communist is going to give you "scifi points" rather easily.
(But I mean, the same will apply if you make it a dictature..)
@dolus scifi as a genre has existed more or less for ~100 years
occasional fantastic stories should not count
>occasional fantastic stories should not count
You realize these stories are very common in history. Why do they "not count"?
@dolus I, uh, are we talking about the same scifi here?
@dolus I mean hinduism is a religion, where's the science part
@dolus it is not a tragedy because it is not a theatrical play. next,
@dolus book of job is not a tragedy because it is not a theatrical play, it is not drama.
You could say it is a tragic story but since the protagonist is rewarded(and stays alive) by the end, I dunno how to feel about that one either. Breaks the typical tragedy format a lot too..
>protagonist is rewarded
Most people would rather have died than have to live with the things he suffered and lost.
@dolus Um... that is true, but how does that make the story tragic?
@dolus I get that the fulfills the "his fate is decided by gods" part of the tragedy, but that's just like... 40%. Failure and death of the hero is an essential part of tragedies.
Another essential requirement is that you have your piece be a theatrical play, and book of Job is a short story fused with a poem.
@dolus he got restored to health, got money, and got to see all his kids live happy how is that tragic,
@liate @dolus still somehow seems to be far from "that fuckboy died cause he tried to wrestle with fate"
or
"he died bitter and god-hating because his previous children were taken away from him"
but okay, fine, even if I admit that the book of Job is a tragedy (I don't believe it is)
how does that make all scifi communist
>how does that make all scifi communist
When did I, or even the guy from the video say that it was? He said that marxists have been using liturature for decades to push their politics. Add in the fact that for twenty years or more, there was a small clique of gatekeepers for scifi literature who only published what they considered 'good'. These two things did play into each other, but it was never said that scifi was 100% communist.
@dolus
n yeah, publishers only publishing what they think is good is how you run a good business, I think.
if that was his strongest point I'm really glad I stopped at the part where he said that communist ideas flourished when the US was jailing everyone a bit on the left.
>jailing everyone a bit on the left.
I do not approve of jailing people for their political opinions, but that's not quite what happened.
@dolus besides jailtime and being scared of communists, not much happened
>scared of communists
Considering all the failed the attempts at making communism work killed more people than the nazis, the American civil war and the black plague combined... I kinda understand why. https://gs.smuglo.li/attachment/3140
